August 03, 2005

What Religious Persecution?

Two issues come to mind as I'm reading the NYT story about Delay agreeing to be on the "Justice Sunday II" telecast (this is not a surprise, nor is it interesting). What first caught my eye was the second paragraph:

Mr. DeLay's planned appearance adds the imprimatur of a top Republican elected official to the event, which seeks to call attention to what its organizers say is the Supreme Court's hostility to Christianity and traditional families in its decisions about abortion, homosexuality and government support for religion. It will be broadcast to churches and Christian television stations and distributed as a video.(emphasis added)

Now, will someone please point me to the Supreme Court rulings that force people to have abortions? Or the ones that require people to be homosexual? And, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Constitution supposed to explicitly require "hostility to...government support for religion", not favor any particular religion?

I'm going to say this clearly: The fact that people, as Christians, can't force the rest of the country to live like they do is not religious persecution, it's freedom of choice.

If you don't like abortion, then don't have one, or even go out and try to convince others not to have one. But outlawing abortion removes other peoples freedom of choice.

If you don't like homosexuals, then don't associate with them, or even try to convince them not to be. Don't pass laws codifying them as second class citizens. That removes their freedom of choice.

You're not being persecuted when other people do things you don't agree with or like. Persecution is being a Muslim in America on 9/12/01, or being one in Britain over the last month, being Buddhist in Tibet, or being a guy named "Jesus" in Palestine about 2000 years ago. That was some serious persecution. Being Christian in America today is as close to "anti-persecution" as you can imagine.

The second issue I have with the NYT story is further down:

In a televised prayer on Tuesday for Judge Roberts's confirmation...the television evangelist Pat Robertson asked his viewers to pray: "Take control, Lord! We ask for additional vacancies on the court." (A "prayer point" on the Web site for Mr. Robertson's "Supreme Court Freedom Project" includes "additional vacancies" as well.)

Now, that's just out of bounds. Completely wrong. In fact, that might just be some religious persecution. Even if it isn't, I'd argue that there is a double standard. If I was a fairly public person, and I put out a statement saying the country would be better off if a sudden vacancy were to open up at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, I'd have the Secret Service all over my ass. Robertson calls for something very similar, but you don't see anyone investigating him. Oh, yeah, he's persecuted all right.

Posted by baltar at August 3, 2005 12:08 PM | TrackBack | Posted to Politics


Comments

Nice! Praying for people to die. Culture of life!

Posted by: binky at August 3, 2005 01:08 PM | PERMALINK

And another thing... (my refrain of the day) ...that bothers me is the language of a persecuted minority. As you rightly point out, 2000 years ago Christians were a persecuted minority. In the US today, Christians are not.

Posted by: binky at August 3, 2005 03:04 PM | PERMALINK

Christians, Muslims... they all spread a degree of hate and intolerance. I'm really sick of Christianity!

Posted by: John at August 4, 2005 11:11 AM | PERMALINK

This makes me wonder, is possible that it is illegal to say certain things generally, but if you are a religious leader your speech gets extra protections? I don't think it's illegal to publicly wish for the deaths of federal officials (or not Supreme Court justices anyway), but if it were, would it be illegal even if it was said as part of a prayer? I would presume that religious leaders wouldn't be given special rights in this way - but I don't know.

Posted by: Armand at August 4, 2005 12:13 PM | PERMALINK

That is an interesting question. Do you suppose there is a crossover with some of the inciting violence stuff? At what point does a statement (or a prayer) become solicitation?

Posted by: binky at August 4, 2005 12:30 PM | PERMALINK

without getting into the details of what sort of speech is sufficiently provocative to be illegal (a thorny question unto itself), the upshot of the RFRA and predecessor statute litigation (case names elude me; they must have boiled off in the heat during lunch) is that laws of general application are permissible even where they interfere with religious practice where the survive, i believe, an intermediate level of scrutiny -- that is, they serve an important govermnent interest and are reasonably well crafted to suit that interest. thus, laws regarding speech that incites violence are not, or should not be, vitiated to any material extent when applied to religious speech. i think.

Posted by: joshua at August 4, 2005 01:42 PM | PERMALINK
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